Oh...pity please kitty...try again
Nos - you are only too cool!
Red Witch
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Changed mind
by Brummie in.
twas only a pity party thread but i changed my mind and edited it out, life is to short to focus on the bad.
move along.....:)
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Is Michael Jackson Guilty?
by shamus inbe nice on this thread, please!
i don't want to see it get locked b/c of some people!.
do you think he's guilty?
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Is Michael Jackson Guilty?
by shamus inbe nice on this thread, please!
i don't want to see it get locked b/c of some people!.
do you think he's guilty?
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Red Witch
My gut instinct tells me it is only smoke...and for all the reasons already stated by those of you who feel or want to think he is not guilty. Even if a guilty verdict comes up, who really knows if it is true or not? only those who were supposedly involved. Shamus wrote: He was beaten almost daily... pretty horrible upbringing.
Abuse, no matter what form, causes our minds to protect itself in many ways, Schitzo, multiple personalities, uncontrolled reactions when put under certain conditions, and it goes on...
I used to also see 'Wolfman Jack' with the Jackson family at assemblies, does anyone know if Wolfman stuck with it or wisely left the borg???
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What Was "IT" That Finally Made You Leave The "Truth"?
by minimus inanything in particular, or was it a combination of things??
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Thank you Homey, you flatter me...but I am happily married at this time. And he's a young one, about your age, so I think this will be lasting a long time. -
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What Was "IT" That Finally Made You Leave The "Truth"?
by minimus inanything in particular, or was it a combination of things??
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i believe that's referred to as a 'hummer' Homey, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm -
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Is Michael Jackson Guilty?
by shamus inbe nice on this thread, please!
i don't want to see it get locked b/c of some people!.
do you think he's guilty?
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Red Witch
Well, there's the old saying, Where's there's smoke there's fire. I just remember seeing him and his family at 'assemblies' held in the Glendale, Ca auditorium many years back. Michael was probably 6. I felt a little sympathy for him then. Something was wrong...
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What Was "IT" That Finally Made You Leave The "Truth"?
by minimus inanything in particular, or was it a combination of things??
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Red Witch
This makes me wonder whether people would have stayed in the congregation had they been treated better.....From what I can see, the answer is YES. I disagree, there are so many other causes for disillusionment. (sp?) I was maybe, 7 or 8, when I started realizing that many of those who returned from bethel were soon disfellowshiped. For what? I do not know I was too young. But it was obvious to me that something was very wrong, and not necessarily from those ex-bethelites. Just why did they return from our utlimate goal and clearly turn their backs on the organization? Well I was told that they just did not have good hearts? And I did not have a good heart if I questioned these things. From then on my goal was to prove myself worthy and to hopefully have a "good heart". I was baptised at 16, as this was then considered the age of recognition. What happened? Well no- one acknowledged this big step in my life! No, not even my parents, and my dad was the big CO! I then went on to marry a "brother" I did not love in order to 'get out of the house'. After that...The no oral sex rule, the admonition to stay with him even though I could count on being physically abused on a regular basis because of my independance and lack of respect, and his 'screwing around' because I wasn't showing him wifely love. Excuse me...he screwed around in order to get oral sex!!!! Well, he still got disfellowshiped but I was supposed to stay with him because he was the father of our 2 children (no-one would love them as much as their father) and maybe by my example he would come back into the Org. I faded, and found out later that he was most likely sexually abusing my daughter from birth to about 4yrs. Now, you want to know What Was "IT" That Finally Made Me Leave The "Truth"? F that Sht! -
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Who On This Board Has Been Out The Longest?
by SanFranciscoJim in.
just curious....... i was disfellowshipped in may 1980, more than 23 years ago..
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Red Witch
In 1977 I walked away...
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I'm at a loss...dazzzed and confused...
by Red Witch inwhy is it when so many of you have left the "oh so illusrious" organization, want to have possesion of their publications?
unless, as far as i can figure, you are still somewhat enthralled, dazzed and confused with what they have to say.
when i left, so did all their propaganda.
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Red Witch
I beg you to please not make generalizations about me in the future. Tonight, your general gut feeling is wrong, no offence. Thanks.
It's just that trying to change a persons 'righteous' religeous convictions is not the way I do/would go about winning back my family. I work from the angle that, hopefully, there is some form of natural affection left within them. And when I have made contact it is from a planned angle of attack, so to speak (sheesh, 'so to speak' jw-dubism again) on a level that will affect them emotionally as a parent or friend. Refuting what the wt says only puts them on the defensive.
I only want them to love me as a daughter as well. We/you are not 'bad' persons for our lifestyles or who we are unless we are purposely attempting to hurt others for not agreeing with us; which brings us back to the evil shunning which is so popular/required with the jws. Shunning is a purposfull method of emotionally hurting others in order to force them to comply with their wishes. I beleive it makes them feel 'self righteous' and that is only one of their great evils.
My comments were'nt meant as generalizations, simply conclusions from personnal experience and observance, of which I am sad to admit I have many. All any of us want of our parents and family is for them to love us as we are, with unconditional love. You deserve it jwbot and so do I.
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I'm at a loss...dazzzed and confused...
by Red Witch inwhy is it when so many of you have left the "oh so illusrious" organization, want to have possesion of their publications?
unless, as far as i can figure, you are still somewhat enthralled, dazzed and confused with what they have to say.
when i left, so did all their propaganda.
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Red Witch
Shamus--I am with you...I do appreciate those who are able to show the org as being clearly wrong in many of their teachings as it does re-affirm my resolve. I think that may be one reason I have been hanging around here and saying "right on" to many of their posts. and "Good point! "(jw-dubism). sorry, even after so many years, I find their coloquilisms (sp?) popping right out of my mouth at times.
Blondie--yes, many do repeat their past. Often as in women who gravitate towards abusive men. I thank my friend-a liberal jw in the early 80s for directing me toward professional counseling-as it has provided me the strength and resolve to avoid all controlling relationships/personnal or religeous. There are so many here as I lurk...who need just that... professional help.
I did leave my family behind, but never felt the need to try and get them away. My reasons initially for leaving had nothing to do with dogma. My family can easily be described as being 'fanatic'.
My words from my own experiences and observations to those who are 'sitting on the fence' sh*t or get off!! As you will only remain in a confused state if you continue sitting where you are.
jwbot--I feel and think one's need to affect others with one's personal revelations is a left-over from being a 'preaching jehovah's witness'. This is not an attack on you personally, just a result of my observations, experiences and general gut feelings about people in general.
RedWitch